First thought for a Wsdnesday:

Philippians 2:1-4 (NRSV)
If then there is any encouragement in Christ, any consolation from love, any sharing in the Spirit, any compassion and sympathy, make my joy complete: be of the same mind, having the same love, being in full accord and of one mind. Do nothing from selfish ambition or conceit, but in humility regard others as better than yourselves. Let each of you look not to your own interests, but to the interests of others.

Good Day, all!!

Good morning, Democrats.

The debate was really good. It was a lively debate. I liked them all. It seems that Hillary and Obama had more time to talk. Edwards was really, REALLY good. He's the type of person that would swing the Southern states blue, and do good out West. Richardson is the same way. Gov Richardson would do well in the South, and could win all of Texas' electoral votes. Dems win in a landslide with Texas and Florida.

Biden was good too. Too bad he's from a nothing state. He's very smart. He's the kind of person I'd like to see on the Supreme Court. Too bad he's another white male. He would make an excellent Supreme Court Justice. He had some great zingers on Rudy, "the most unqualified ever... all he uses in a verb, a noun and 9/11." LOL.

I made the comment earlier that Obama didn't pass the honesty test about the "uniter" claim. I have good reason for making this claim. Tonight, Obama attempted verify this claim, but failed. When pointing to his work in the Illinois State Senate, he tried to take credit for the death row reforms. Nope. Senate Leader Emil Jones (D) and Democrats control the Senate, so it didn't take a "uniter." The IL Senate Democrats can pass anything they want. Besides, it was the Republican Gov who was facing jail, and made the Executive Order to redeem his image, character, and polling.

And we all know that Fiengold and McCain came together for campaign finance, so that was not his work as a "uniter." Let's face it, the whole "uniter" thing is more code for talking nice and making deals with republicans, rather than having excellent negotiating skills. Every politician in the US Senate is a skilled negotiator. And if Obama was a uniter as he claims, he would've helped the Senate at least pass one close vote. But that hasn't happened. It certainly appears that Obama is more rhetoric than experience or accomplishments.

One thing for certain, any of the Democrats would do much better than any of the republicans. It's interesting to see that already Romney and Rudy are taking on Hillary for not having Executive management experience. I saw that coming.

Like Gov Richardson pointed out: 7 of our last 8 Presidents had Executive experience. This makes a really good case for Richardson or Gore. We all know that they twist Senate votes, AND sadly we cant count on the media to sort out the facts from the chaff. I continue to believe that it's very important to have Executive experience in a candidate profile. But what do I know... I'm just the 800 lbs DOG in the room. :-P

Good morning Dems!

Happy Halloween Dems!

David Horsey

Here is more cheney bullshit. One of bush's cronies is spewing this shit now. This is all part of cheney's buildup for war with Iran.
I can't stand it any more.

IMPEACH CHENEY AND BUSH NOW!

Russia's Izvestia Reports:

Speaking on Tuesday at the annual conference of the Washington Institute for the non-governmental Middle East, Assistant to the President of the United States on counter-terrorism issues Frances Fragos Townsend argued that "lethal assistance to a number of groups in Iraq boevikov-shiitov" provides special services "Al-Quds", a member of the Corps " the Islamic revolution "- part of the elite Iranian armed forces.

Such assistance takes the form of the supply of weapons to Iraqi fighters, their training and funding, transfer them to the directives, said Officer White House. - сообщает ИТАР-ТАСС. , reported Itar-Tass.

"Iran also sends weapons of the Taliban in Afghanistan," she continued, and remains unwilling to report on the fate of the principals group "Al-Qaeda", detained in the 2003 year, bring them to justice. "

The United States accused Iran of supporting extremists in Iraq and the Taliban in Afghanistan

We really need fairness and truth in the press. Wolf has THREE HOURS in Prime time to get his message out. We can't let him spread lies, and let lies fly. Bring back Crossfire!

Blitzer did not challenge Huckabee's claim that Saddam "said that he had" WMD

Summary: On CNN's Late Edition, Wolf Blitzer failed to challenge Mike Huckabee's claim that Saddam Hussein "said that he had" weapons of mass destruction. In fact, in December 2002, Iraq issued a declaration to United Nations weapons inspectors on its chemical, biological, and nuclear weapons programs and its long-range missile programs, and CNN.com reported that "Iraqi officials say the report proves Baghdad has no weapons of mass destruction."

More: http://mediamatters.org/items/200710300002?f=h_latest

More Republican hacks with programs to shape the news America views at dinner time:

MSNBC's Carlson falsely claimed he does not "touch" Bill Clinton's "sex life"

On the October 29 edition of MSNBC's Tucker, host Tucker Carlson discussed the just-released book Write It When I'm Gone (Putnam Adult), by Thomas DeFrank, Washington bureau chief for the New York Daily News, and noted that the book, which features off-the-record interviews with President Gerald Ford over a 16-year period, quotes Ford saying that President Bill Clinton "has a sexual addiction," and "needs to get help -- for his sake." Carlson stated that "President Bill Clinton's sex life" is "something we never talk about on this show 'cause we know the answer. It's still kind of interesting." He later added: "I don't touch this ... and Bill Clinton -- I mean, the idea of touching -- I mean, just the whole thing is cringe-making." But contrary to Carlson's assertion that "we never talk" about "Clinton's sex life," as Media Matters for America has noted, Carlson has discussed the topic on several occasions, referring to President Clinton's "philander[ing]" and "famous appetites" while making the argument that the Clintons' marriage is a legitimate issue in the 2008 presidential election.

During the segment, which featured Politico senior political writer Jonathan Martin and Democratic strategist Peter Fenn, Carlson also said that Ford's comments about President Clinton would be an issue for Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton's (D-NY) presidential campaign, asserting, "I think it's something. ... I think if you're running on your husband, which she's doing -- people are voting for her 'cause of her husband." Carlson then accused Sen. Clinton herself of making her marriage an issue in her campaign, claiming that Clinton was "thrusting" her marriage "into our face," "inviting the question," and "pushing it on us." He said: "[I]f she wanted to keep us from talking about it, why are you running for president and thrusting your marriage into our face, which she is doing, day after day?"

More: http://mediamatters.org/items/200710300010?f=h_latest

What worse than lies about Dems... revisionists:

Sally Bedell Smith characterizes as "absolutely fair" Russert's suggestion that Hillary Clinton to blame for 40 million uninsured

On the October 27 edition of CNBC's The Tim Russert Show, during a discussion with Sally Bedell Smith, author of the just-released book, For Love of Politics: Bill and Hillary Clinton: The White House Years (Random House), Russert asserted, "On health care, when you read the inside reporting in your book about it, it is so striking that there are significant people in the Clinton administration, the Secretary of the Treasury Lloyd Bentsen; the economic adviser Robert Rubin -- I read somewhere that Donna Shalala, the Health and Human Services secretary, called the plan 'crazy'; Leon Panetta, the Office of Management and Budget; [then-Sen.] Pat Moynihan [D-NY], the chairman of the [Senate] Finance Committee; [then-Sen.] Bill Bradley [NJ], another Democrat; Republicans, all saying, 'We can do something, but this plan is too big, too much. Compromise and we can get a scaled measure through.' " Russert continued, "Ironically, the scaled measure they were all talking about is pretty close to the plan that [Sen.] Hillary Clinton [D-NY] has now adopted in 2008, which means that from 1993 to 2008, 40 million people went without care because she was so wedded to getting that plan -- her original plan -- through. Fair?" Smith replied, "Absolutely fair," and went on to assert that "if Hillary's White House had yielded to Bill's White House, we would've had a decent health care plan that would've worked for so many people."

More:
http://mediamatters.org/items/200710300004?f=h_latest

Yeah, Carlson does a lot of talking about how he doesn't talk about, or want to know about, the Clintons personal life. In fact, he just talked yesterday for a full segment to two women, one from the Hill and one from the New Republic about how he doesn't want to know about it or talk about it.

Are we going to address the media's anti-labor, pro-war, corporate bias now, or wait for our nominee to get swift-boated again?

Morning Dems,

Here is a good review of the debate. It was a Media wet dream. They were Drooling that Hillary would get attacked. That some red meat would materialize in this debate and that Obama and Edwards would indeed attack her.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071031/ap_on_el_pr/democrats_debate

I think Richardson, for whatever reason he cautioned them , was correct, that to personally attack her on trust, etc was not called for.
Even if they believe that, what do they think the Repugs are going to do with that tidbit?

MSNBC Matthews and his round table after the debate made too big a deal about Hillary giving two answers to the Spitzer giving licenses question. Dodd with his "driving is a privilege, so we should not give them a privilege' was an example of really not understanding the fact, these guys are here! these guys are already driving in a lot of cases, unlike those in CA who bike it all year long. These guys must come out of the shadows to get a license. These guys will be required to get insurance to hold onto their license. Not giving them a license is not going to change a single solitary thing, other than they remain in the state and in some cases drive anyways. So Hillary should have made it clearer, she herself may not have made that decision, but she does not find it wrong of Spitzer to do so. What's the big deal?

Another hypocrit Republican has been caught with his pants down. It looks like a local Washington state politician that voted against gay rights legislation solicited sex from another man during a GOP retreat to Spokane.

The story doesn't leave much to the imagination so I'm not posting quotes.

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/6420AP_WA_Lawmaker_Extortion.html?source=mypi

good morning. gotta run.

Happy All Hallow's Eve, everyone!

The Tale of Jack O'Lantern

Jack, the Irish say, grew up in a simple village where he earned a reputation for cleverness as well as laziness. He applied his fine intelligence to wiggling out of any work that was asked of him, preferring to lie under a solitary oak endlessly whittling. In order to earn money to spend at the local pub, he looked for an "easy shilling" from gambling, a pastime at which he excelled. In his whole life he never made a single enemy, never made a single friend and never performed a selfless act for anyone.

One Halloween, as it happened, the time came for him to die. When the devil arrived to take his soul, Jack was lazily drinking at the pub and asked permission to finish his ale. The devil agreed, and Jack thought fast. "If you really have any power," he said slyly, "you could transform yourself into a shilling."

The devil snorted at such child’s play and instantly changed himself into a shilling. Jack grabbed the coin. He held it tight in his hand, which bore a cross-shaped scar. The power of the cross kept the devil imprisoned there, for everyone knows the devil is powerless when faced with the cross. Jack would not let the devil free until he granted him another year of life. Jack figured that would be plenty of time to repent. The devil left Jack at the pub.

The year rolled around to the next Halloween, but Jack never got around to repenting. Again the devil appeared to claim his soul, and again Jack bargained, this time challenging him to a game of dice, an offer Satan could never resist, but a game that Jack excelled at. The devil threw snake eyes—two ones—and was about to haul him off, but Jack used a pair of dice he himself had whittled. When they landed as two threes, forming the T-shape of a cross, once again the devil was powerless. Jack bargained for more time to repent.

He kept thinking he’d get around to repentance later, at the last possible minute. But the agreed-upon day arrived and death took him by surprise. The devil hadn’t showed up and Jack soon found out why not. Before he knew it Jack was in front of the pearly gates. St. Peter shook his head sadly and could not admit him, because in his whole life Jack had never performed a single selfless act. Then Jack presented himself before the gates of hell, but the devil was still seething. Satan refused to have anything to do with him.

"Where can I go?" cried Jack. "How can I see in the darkness?"

The devil tossed a burning coal into a hollow pumpkin and ordered him to wander forever with only the pumpkin to light his path. From that day to this he has been called "Jack o’ the Lantern." Sometimes he appears on Halloween!

Personally,I feel that the news media should be hands off for corporations.It gives them license to slant everthing toward their interests.It`s also stands out loud and clear that is what they are doing.Besides that they have turned the media news into a news show.This is a large part of why we are quickly losing any form of democracy.All we get is a one sided view.There is always a said or unsaid implication that anything other than this view is wrong.That`s not news it is propaganda.Enough!

Mornin' {{Y'all}},

Kristen, it's amazing how many hypocrites infest the Republic party. Guess they're putting the "party" in the party from the looks of it. I really resent how they'll stand on my back and the backs of millions of other GLBT constituents just to line their own pockets. Damn them for the opportunistic vultures that they are.

R. A. Heinlein (G'd rest his soul) had it exactly right: "All sin lies in hurting other people. All other 'sins' are invented nonsense. Hurting yourself isn't sinful -- it's just stupid." It's amazing how the goopers invent sins, then rail and hew and cry out against them, then get caught doing exactly what they tell other people not to.

It just reinforces my view that goopers are liars, hypocrites and thieves; not a decent human being amongst the lot of them. As for me, I'm sick of being trodden on and I'm ready to hand them a figurative fat lip at the polls this next election by way of a Dem landslide.

Kristen on October 31, 2007 at 08:59 AM

Hmmmm...mmm-huh...mmm-huh! There seems to be a recent trend of this behavior from Republicans, the family values party, the party of abstinence and only having sex with eyes closed, or is that crossed? It now occurs to me that they must be working covertly to assess, or re-assess, their parties position of the gay community. You know, to gain first hand knowledge to the question, "Does it really warp your spine?"

Yeah, that's it, they're throwing themselves under the bus to develop a real time sense of what it is they've done to others their whole life, and then they can reap the benefits of forgiveness.

But then again...I think I need another cup of coffee. "Taxi...!"

did anyone notice in the debate last night, especially at the end how hillary clinton was flipflooping? and obama wasn't much better. i thought kuchinich was right on. when we elected the dems in 2006, it was to hold bush accountable along with cheney. none of them have done it. but kuchinich is intending, before thanksgiving on introducing atricles of impeachment against cheney and bush. he understands our constitution and was the only person referring to it. he also understands king george and darth vader are dangerous and in a very nice way, he called bush insane. edwards, i thought also did a good job. truth is most important to me. i can always tell when a person is only saying things they think people want to hear, such as king george does. and that is what clinton's been doing. now, on news here from fremont ohio, the dem base here is very angry with the elected dems. they thought the dems were going to listen to us. to hold this illegal regieme accoutable and impeach all of them. they haven't the dem base here in fremont ohio are feeling that the dems are acting like the republicans and shunning all of us and truning their backs. so do you know what they are all doing? they are going to board of elections and signing up to be independents. i warned all the elected officials. i e-mailed all of them. they wouldn't listen to me. so i guess this is what they deserve. have a good holloween and IMPEACH NOW!

Good morning, all.

J,

This article backs up everything you said yesterday. Boy, do you have him pegged.

Tuesday, October 30, 2007

Only Dem to Lose Claims to Be Expert On How Dems Can Win

Harold Ford was the only top-tier Democratic candidate to lose a major election in 2006, and yet as the chairman of the corporate-funded Democratic Leadership Council, he is running around telling everyone how to win elections. He's also pushing to raise the Social Security retirement age, and claiming that populists like Jon Tester (D-MT) and Jim Webb (D-VA) actually ran DLC-style campaigns sucking up to corporations (like, say, Merrill Lynch, where Ford is currently a vice president). No really - I'm not kidding. See this Newsweek interview for what I'm talking about...

www.workingassetsblog.com/

Halloween plans, anyone?

HillWilliam4Edwards08 on October 31, 2007 at 09:31 AM

That's the best intent that I know. I truly hope that is what happens. How do youn like Heir Bush's accusations about this Democratic Congress? As if any Congress, that lacks override ability, can undo the damage this flock of Republican political fuck ups have done the past twelve years. God had a special place for them...indeed!!

MichaelLink on October 31, 2007 at 09:58 AM

No plans, only excuses!! Son is flip-flopping about t / t'ing...ah, we'll see what the night brings. This would be the first time he's had the opportunity to t/t in Maine in five years. As usual, with me, money is always an issue, and I hate that.

You? What plans do you have?

Michael,

The last few years when I lived in town, I did the yard up bigtime. The kids weren't so impressed (single-mindedly looking for the sugary loot) but the grownups were wide-eyed and appreciative. Halloween was always a blast. Lots of folks stopped for pictures. Of course, my favorite candidates' yard signs were part of the decorations (more'n one way to get a point across!)

Alas, this year I won't be doing anything at all. One of the very few down-sides of living way-way out in the country is the lack of trick-or-treaters. If anyone manages to find my house these days, they're really REALLY lost :-)

So, we'll be holed up inside tonight with the doggages, probably watching FSTV and Keith O again.

Self-Help - A Club in Verbage Form

Once the Right-wingnuts, the extrememists, Christian Right and anyone else that saw opportunity to get on the bashing band wagon the term "self-help" was wielded around on black Americans like a bat.

The above mentioned group sat and decided if they were going to continuously cripple African-Ameircans and basically put a stop to any activism by them as a group, then place the blame for their socioeconomic status squarely on them. Blame them for basically for what has occured to them in the last 150 years. Then once they have been convinced that they themselves are the problem with how their lives have transgressed then tell them they are personally responsible for what becomes of their status economically, socially, judicially, educationally so forth and so on. Never mind that more than likely they don't have the tools to accomplish such a thing and are hand tied by legislative changes and Supreme Court rulings that work against them.

This has been the rallying cry of the Right-wing for the last decade and the saddest part of all are the so called black Americans that bought into this load of crap. Black clergy ran behind it like pit bulls after meat. But then they were baited with the promise of faith-based dollars from the Feds that never appeared. They should have known better with their training of listening to "false prophets". And look at Bill Cosby! This old fool who has made millions, runs around the country blaming poor black folk for being poor. You would expect better from him seeing that he has earned a PhD in education.

The point is this: The Feds, politicians, religious leaders, celebrities and whoever else that feels the need should stop, look and listen before they prejudge and tell black Americans or ANY ethnic group or group of citizens for that matter that they need to do some "self-help" so as to change their status when knowing full well they do not have the tools. Another good example of this philosophy is the illegal immigrants. Thank God black folk never let themselves get pulled into that situation. But in essence many said that these folks could just go back to Mexico. Well how the hell are they going to just to pull up with the parents illegal and the kids legal and the family or community has "settled" into this country's way of life? More importantly, why should they have to solve a problem that they themselves didn't make. The big Fortune 500 game players made the mess - they should have been made to clean it up.

Black Americans still riding that self-help train, get off at the next stop. You're doing what the racists/bigots want you to do - harm your bretheren.

Peace \/

http://www.blackagendareport.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=410&Itemid=33

Posted by SandyH on October 31, 2007 at 09:52 AM

What really rattles me about him is that he is runn' around tellin' folk to be careful as where they want to take the DEM party.

Man couldn't even decently represent his own Congressional District adequetely.

Davidual,

One of the few remaining irritations that I have is that so many people either didn't pay attention to civics in grade school or are just blindly accepting the nattering of MSM about the current Congress. It's shocking that so many people have little-to-no idea of how our government works.

The MSM like to go on and on about a Democratic-controlled Congress. That simply isn't the case. While, yes, we have a nominal majority of seats, it isn't enough to transact business at the level that people expect. The rethugs are resorting to EVERY tactic they whined about the Dems thinking of using (and truly, should have used). Consequently, there is very little that can get done in the Senate.

Yet MSM likes to tarnish the Dems by repeating the meme that there is a Dem-controlled Congress (no, it isn't) and the effect is to piss of the uninformed Dem voter. More's the pity, it works, to a degree.

I wish more people understood the plain fact that if we want to end the illegal occupation of Iraq, to put a stop to illegal domestic spying, to right the extensive damage to our economy, to ensure that there will be clean air and water, we must put a veto-proof majority into Congress first. It ain't gonna happen any other way. The rethug contract-on-America junta has to be put out of power and punished for the wrongs they committed.

As for the numerous environmental issues (my hot-button today), I have only one thing to say to those who don't think that's important: to allow corporations to continue to pollute the air and water that belong to us, the taxpayers and citizens of this country, is exactly the same as allowing someone to come in and shit in your living room, then you just live with it there, festering and stinking. Only nasty people want to live like that. And from all appearances, rethugs are some nasty, nasty people.

With a veto-proof majority in Congress, we can begin to live like decent, clean human beings again; moreover, we'll leave a beautiful legacy and bounty to our future generations that they and we can be proud of, instead of this republic-born festering wasteland they're creating along with mountains of debt.

Unless we wish to continue to live in filth and poverty, then we've got to have Dem control of the government for generations yet to come.

{{J}}

I wonder just how much of America has cottoned onto the republic penchant for blaming the victim. No matter what mess they make, they never accept blame for anything even when any fool could plainly see where the mess came from. The right has gotten pure-dee tiresome for all its nattering on and on and on about "personal responsibility" -- yet, QED, they never, ever, ever undertake any of it.

The rest of us have to do for ourselves. I have more faith in the goodness of America than the GOP "leadership" does. The GOP want to rule because they don't know how to lead. African Americans produced the King family -- I have faith that G'd will grant us another like them to lead (not rule or blame) our nation out of this benighted mess the GOP have put us in.

I think most folks are like me: I'd rather die on my feet than to have to live on my knees. It gets me bruised and bopped around a lot for it, but one day you wake up and say, "y'know? I'm tired, sick unto death of this mess; a grown man doesn't have to just accept this as 'life'.". That's the day you start getting healthy again and making the world around you healthy again.

The more we grab hands and stand together, the better off we'll be. I believe it.

Global warming has become an issue that divides evangelicals in America. Liberal and even some conservative evangelicals are willing to acknowledge that human actions are harming the environment and that changes need to be made. Most conservative evangelicals continue to insist that there are no problems and nothing to change, just like the Republican Party tells them. if it was written in the bible these people would accept global warming without question.

For that matter, Bill, Democrats were effectually locked out of the previous six congresses, but did not resort to obstructionist tactics because they know that such tactics would be bad for our country as a whole. Our democratic leadership has allowed their republican counterparts full opportunity to debate all of the issues, and the republicans have used this to tie up the work of the people. It is just as filibuster Bob did in 1992 - 1994, and it worked well for them then and they are gambling that with the continual assistance of their friends in the media it will work well for them again.

Just say no, to the media manipulation and the republicans!!

The more we grab hands and stand together, the better off we'll be. I believe it.
Posted by HillWilliam4Edwards08 on October 31, 2007 at 10:50 AM

Truer words never spoken, my friend.

The more of us who stand together, united in our fight, the stronger we will be. Look back at the group of First Americans fighting a British Army and rule, and their passion and their cause led them to victory. We can Overcome!
United we can stand, divided we will fall.

I will not sit back and be a victim! I will not go down easily to this Neo Con Regime that wants to do what Hitler did in Germany! These power hungry PNAC nazis in the US wants to cleanse out the Middle Class. Have only the wealthy and the low class to serve them and make them wealthier.

I will not let them !

and I pity those who stand on the sidelines, watch this happen, are naive and easily swayed enough to pull a Red lever ! Will they wake up?

Posted by MichaelLink on October 31, 2007 at 09:58 AM

Yep. We get quite a bit of trick or treaters, so every year I dress up as a witch and scare the beejeesus out of the kiddies. Fun fun fun!

We only get a couple of kids on Halloween, as we are a tiny little dead end street and the kids want to keep running on the Main drag.

I miss the days of dressing up my own girls and sending them out with their Dad.

Good morning,

I'm fifty-three today. Think I'll take the day off and hang around with my friends and better half. Then cry into the Wine-Dark Sea when the sun goes down.

Take a day off from frightening kids.

Many Happy Returns, TomN! I just turned 50 in June and so far, I'm likin' 50's a lot. Hope they're treating you well.

g'morning everyone,
don't know how many of you saw the 40th anniversary issue of 'rolling stone' magazine, if not, check it out. it basically centers on the events of 1967 and the huge influence they've had on america since. here's one particularly interesting paragraph for your enjoyment...

A few years ago, Bill Clinton offered an astute assessment of the decade that shaped the politics of his generation. "If you look back on the Sixties and on balance you think there was more good than harm in it, you're probable a Democrat," Clinton observed. "If you think that there was more harm than good, then you're probably a Republican." That polarization is the real legacy of the Summer of Love. On a cultural level, our daily lives--the music we listen to, the air we breathe, the rights we are afforded--remain shaped, in large measure, by the progressive movements of that era and the victories they achieved. But on a political level, the social and religious forces who are determined to roll back those victories are still in charge.

The article concludes on the point that 1/3 of voting age americans in 2008 weren't even born yet in 1967 and that the resolution to the divisions and hatred begun during that era might ultimately rest with them. The fascists have neglected and repressed our young people, but we will not. We dare not.

had the radio in the car on to the local conservative hate filled show this morning.

The head of the State Republican party called in to chat about the Debates.

His observation? Oh those damn Democrats, all they do is complain and find things wrong and criticize and have a negative pessimistic view of the country!!! I was wishing I were not driving, so I could call in and tell him WHAT on earth Good could the Dems possibly talk about? To name ONE good thing that Bush has brought about to help out the people.

Idiots, all of them.

In Missouri you can have your basically honest life turned upside down for being arrested for three Marijuana Cigarettes in the year 2007 because you happen to not drink alcohol or you have a medical condition, but it's O.K. to break U.S. immigration laws if you enter our country illegally as a unknown person and be rewarded for it? Not only is this a unfair practice by our politicians who are pandering to CEO's and special interest groups, but is insanity at it's finest hour while we are involved in a serious confrontation with terrorist. It's dangerous and reckless. It hurts the average working people and is a dream stealer in good jobs. And steals away our future natural resources to allow this continued Massive ILLEGAL Migration. Please no more 20th Century Skulduggery.

Pam,

When called on their crap, the pugs only whine that nobody's reporting any good news. Just like Laura Bush whining about all the bad news about the illegal invasion of Iraq... they never name anything good that's good for the country, the economy or anything else. Know why? There ain't anything good to say. The pugs have made messes for 30 years. That hasn't changed and isn't going to change. Unless BushCo does something truly stupid like cancelling the 2008 elections, their days of whining are over.

Good riddance. Let the investigations and prosecutions begin.

Posted by HillWilliam4Edwards08 on October 31, 2007 at 11:27 AM

Thank you kindly. Fifties seem to bring on some extra freedoms. Get to shed stuff that's not so important as life moves on.

I heard a good joke on the Tonight Show last night.

Cheney travels with an ambulance when he goes hunting these days....so he can attract lawyers to shoot at.

Happy Halloween, everyone. And happy hunting to those who enjoy the sport. Tis the season.

Good morning all good Dems,

Pam, I know what you mean. These people are disgusting.

Hill, they always blame the victim and accuse them of the very thing they do.

bbl. Going to town. I hope my laptop will start again. I am having trouble with the screen. It was all garbage and jibberish until I discovered that if I pressed on the screen at the top it worked fine.

I saw Blitzer and the situation show on CNN for the first time yesterday. Yea, I have been willfully ignorant. I had to ask my mother who that clown was. (She has cable.)

What I saw was conflict and strife between people and political parties. Putting down, pretty much, of political people and parties with quips and quick opinions till cynicism won out. Petty politics and people are losers. Then came the commercials.

First I saw the sponsorship by BP screen, then fancy commericals. Next break was Lockeed-Martin followed by its show of war stuff with soldiers protecting the bunch of us. And their slogan, something like, "we remember where our support comes from". And the corporations won.

The show and the mongering all done with emotional jolting to make the experience pleasurable. But the messsage I got out of it all was corporations help with security and stability and employment while political people and issues are somewhat amusing, but changeable, dishonest, and ultimately risky.

Money and business seem to be running the show, they get control and win when they can divide and conquer peoples by setting them off against each other.

How would you feel about China’s sovereign investment fund gaining 51% of news corp? Some nations can play the business game, and some businesses can play the nation game. The people are playing the pawns.

Posted by J on October 31, 2007 at 08:07 AM

I agree with your candidate assessment and about that noose thing - I think that damn flag is just as heinous if not more!!

It makes me cringe (and I'm white) I can only imagine how your blood must boil over it J. It's totally humiliating and embarrassing that CHENEY & W are still walking around FREE. For they are CRIMINALS and TRAITORS to this NATION and MOST Of it's PEOPLE!!!

argh!

G-day to the rest of you! I'm catching up. The Pumpkin is outside the door and the sign is on the door saying we WILL be participating in Halloween and our place is a SAFE place to visit! My daughter has carved 3 pumpkins in the last week. She took two to work unfortunately but the other is outside the door and the dog WON'T leave it be! HAHAHA!

Blessed BE! ;-)

Word up, it's not the little brown people who are taking our jobs and social programs away. It's the republic profiteering piratizers who've been shipping our jobs offshore along with our dollars, where we'll never touch either again. As for the social programs, if BushCo hadn't stolen the money for an illegal invasion of a country that wasn't bothering us, Medicare and Social Security would have been plenty solvent. The facts bear that out repeatedly. The facts, also published on many of the governments own web sites are that illegals are consuming less that .4% (less than one percent) of social programs meant for Americans.

It's a typical republic ploy to ruin something that was perfectly fine to start with, then blame the victims for the situation they were forced into, not of their own choosing. If the republics had made their corporate crony buddies obey labor and immigration laws, we wouldn't have a flood of undocumented workers -- Americans would have been getting a fair wage for jobs we're perfectly capable and willing to do for ourselves. Again, it's so much easier to blame someone else rather than to take any of the "personal responsibility" they natter on so much about. BTW, it was the last republic-controlled Congress that relieved a lot of legislation that would have held corporations accountable... over thirty important laws that would have punished corporations for hiring illegals.

Can't have any republic megadonors inconvenienced with minutia like laws, heaven help.

Irritated about a flood of undocumented workers pouring across the border? Thank the 106-109th (Republic-controlled) Congresses for fixing the laws so their corporate cronies could get away with under-pricing jobs so that Americans simply can't afford to fill them -- and those same corporate cronies fill them -- knowingly and willingly -- with exactly that which amounts to slave labor. These are the plans that they have the rest of us. If you want secure borders, then make sure that we have a veto-proof majority in Congress, so that the Republics won't have the technical standing that they do now to thwart effective legislation.

Boo! Happy Halloween. :-)

Didn't I see the first lady holding hands with the king of Saudi Arabia yesterday? The condign cuckold marriage that makes the world dance?

Posted by ap215 on October 31, 2007 at 12:22 PM

:-O u scared me!

Same 2u AP215(215 what?) :-]

Who won the debate? (on Ed's website)

for all the JE lovers - he's way ahead!

Here's a nice story for those with young ladies in their families...and young men.

It's not so nice for Republicans that would like to do away with Title IX just like they have affirmative action. I see the potential here for getting a lot of young women to get out and vote.

'One Team, One Book' teaches girl players about Title IX

By Christine Byers
ST. LOUIS POST-DISPATCH
10/31/2007

Ask me about Title IX

Volleyball co-captain Missy Leonard waves to the crowd during the Oct. 5, Hillsoboro High School Homecoming Parade. Leonard and the rest of the volleyball team wore T-shirts that said, "Ask me about Title IX."

Hillsboro — Librarians at Hillsboro High School have crossed the invisible boundary between academics and athletics.

With the blessing of the girls volleyball coaches, the librarians asked the team to read a book this semester called "Let Me Play: The Story of Title IX" and devote the last 30 minutes of four practice sessions to discuss what they read.

Often, the talks went on much longer.

It was the first time students like Amy Stinson and Missy Leonard, both 17, learned that the sports they cherish weren't always available for girls. They listened with mouths agape as their principal, Cheryl Aylesworth, recalled how she couldn't play basketball for her high school in the 1960s.

Linda Carpenter, a former professor at City University of New York who studies the effects of Title IX, said the librarians' reading program provided a valuable lesson.

"It's wonderful for today's young women to have the opportunity to play," she said, "… but sadly if these same young women don't understand what their mothers or older sisters had to fight for, they run the risk of losing these opportunities for themselves and their daughters."

Hillsboro's librarians Karen Huskey and Doréan Dow chose the topic to coincide with the 35th anniversary of the legislation that prohibits discrimination based on gender in federally funded schools. The law led to the expansion of educational opportunities for women on a grand scale...

www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/education/story/668C111C3402CC4E8625738500110C5E?OpenDocument

I bet you won't find The Librarian recommending this book to young girls.

It's a shame that we didn't see young black players out there on those trucks at the Red
Sox parade yesterday wearing T-shirts that said, "Ask Me About Affirmative Action".

for all the JE lovers - he's way ahead!

Posted by Dawn on October 31, 2007 at 12:35 PM

Thank you, Dawn. But he's starting from way far behind and it's getting real late.

Dance by shooting at their feet.

Ok, fun it is, like shooting turkeys in a gallery. But we might get to use live ammo if we could drop corporate "persons" out of government and the news media.

It would take an ammendment to the constitution, or else some state kicking them out of politics that their fate might then be decided by the supreme court.

Posted by TomN on October 31, 2007 at 11:21 AM

Happy Birthday, TomN.

I bet you scared you mother real good till she took a look at your sweet baby face. What a neat day to have a birthday. All the candy and those games and it was all for you! Little did we know.

Sandy

I was disappointed in Hillary last night :-[ and you KNOW I'm trying to like her! But I was just as disappointed in the rest of the top tier too ....

Biden did a GREAT job! (imo) Too damn bad no one listens to him. (Bob u have a great candidate)

Same with Richardson and Kucinich AND Dodd!! This is some kind of BAD JOKE of a parallel universe where the TOP TIER should be the BOTTOM TIER!!

I just can't believe IOWANS, NH, etc., can't see it! sigh, well, I'll pull the D lever for sure but it's just NOT right we have some sterling candidates on the bottom row not getting much of a chance. Come ON AMERICA it CAN'T just be about money!!!

Posted by TomN on October 31, 2007 at 12:42 PM

Happy B day Scorpio!

The USA and World Community need in the worst way a breath of fresh air. Al Gore represents the 21st Century Dream that we've so Carelessly lost thru the past decades. If we call on him, he will Serve!

The River Runs Wild, The River Runs Deep!

Santiago

I WISH!!!

I was totally embarraded by the behavior of Edwards and Obama last evening, put your energy on attackikng the GOP boys, not the democratic leader, as a former Edwards supporter, Mr. Edwards looks more and more like our next Republican candidate, also the wine is much better on the Biltmore Estate.

I may not be a good typist but I am a damn good democrat!

Hell

I think I'm just gonna vote for Dennis in the Primaries.

He's the one I'm closest to in ideas (apparently) the little Rascal. I'll just vote my conscience (unless someone convinces me otherwise before Jan.).

Crazy? maybe.

Posted by davesback on October 31, 2007 at 12:53 PM

LOL @ Biltmore

right on dave!

you may be right about Dennis, he's the only person to refer to the constitution and making laws which would improve our country and the standing we have in this world.... those other guys are good at blame each other rhetoric.

I don't know dave maybe I'm being GREEDY expecting perfection when you look at the alternatives........ I mean comparing ANY of the R's running - our group is like 24ct compared to something tin (eared) lol.

maybe I expect too much

Santiago this is for you Buddy!

Clinton is viewed favorably by 43 percent of all voters, while Obama is viewed favorably by 38 percent and Edwards by 30 percent. Significantly more Americans say they are undecided or don't know enough to have an opinion about Obama (37 percent) and Edwards (39 percent) than say the same about Clinton (16 percent).

When former Vice President Al Gore, who has not entered the race, is added as a choice for the Democratic nomination, he emerges as a serious contender. Gore garners support of 32 percent of Democratic primary voters, while Clinton gets 37 percent, Obama 16 percent, and Edwards 7 percent. Gore is viewed favorably by 46 percent of registered voters, his highest favorability rating since October, 2000.

Posted by Dawn on October 31, 2007 at 12:45 PM

Dawn,

I didn't watch the debate. It was billed as a smack down against Hillary, and I wasn't in the mood to watch that sort of thing. It's obvious that the men aren't going to let her walk away with the nomination without a fight.

I'm trying to like her, too. And I find that strange at this point. Makes you wonder what Independents are feeling. Well, I'll support whoever wins. There really isn't any alternative. I hope most voters are leaning in that direction.

But a lot can happen in 11 months. I look back at that period between the 2000 election night and the inaugration in January, 2001 and worry about how much can happen if people don't care.

Lunchtime. bbl.

LOL @ this headline!

Phone Home Kucinich: UFO Lobby Wants Hillary/Richardson Ticket

October 31, 2007 12:24 PM

If you're talking about when we lost Dr. Dean?\

The exception to that is we lost a really GOOD candidate (Howard) who was ahead at this time.

Hillary is not so sterling as Howard, imo.
But I guess I'm some crazy leftie! HA!

How the MSM controls the message:

Of course, Clear Channel hasn't publicly said they are boycotting Springsteen's music. But they are. Fox News, hardly a hotbed of liberal alarmists, reports that "Clear Channel has sent an edict to its classic rock stations not to play tracks from Magic... no new songs by Springsteen, even though it’s likely many radio listeners already own the album and would like to hear it mixed in with the junk offered on radio."

http://blog.radioleft.com/blog/_archives/2007/10/30/3323902.html

Now SHE would be a scary Halloween mask!

Longtime Bush Adviser Leaving State
ANNE GEARAN | October 31, 2007 01:17 PM EST | AP

WASHINGTON — Karen Hughes, who led efforts to improve the U.S. image abroad and was one of President Bush's last remaining advisers from the close circle of Texas aides, will leave the government at the end of the year.

Very Scary...

Oh, my God! Creeping Socialism!
It’s crawling up your very street!
Healthcare for our nation’s children?
The flames of Satan burn our feet!

http://www.correntewire.com/halloween_gop_style

posted by peaceman 31 Oct at 10:55A
No, if global warming was written in the Bible, most right wing evangelicals wouldn't pay any attention to it.
Anyone who is really familiar with the Bible and has heard, or better yet, argued with(you can't discuss with these people) a right wing evangelical can tell you they are cafeteria Christians who pick and choose little pieces of the Bible and take things out of context to come up with their own patched together brew of what ever's most convenient to them.
For instance that "Faith and not works" passage that thy use to convince themselves that as long as they have faith they don't need to do good works. Anyone who's read the whole epistle can tell you St. Paul was talking about getting following Jewish practices like circumsized, not taking care of the poor.
I had one blow me off, when I brought up the Sermon on the Mount, by saying, "Jesus was just talking to the Jews". !!!!????
A lot of those right wingers are just weird!

Posted by BlueinIdaho on October 31, 2007 at 01:33 PM

YIKES!

"everything is out to get us" LOL @ that bit of reality

lol yep I think I'll vote for Dennis

Kucinich Questions Bush's Mental Health

Edited on Tue Oct-30-07 03:51 PM by RamboLiberal
Source: Breitbart.com/AP

PHILADELPHIA (AP) - Democratic presidential candidate Dennis Kucinich questioned President Bush's mental health in light of comments he made about a nuclear Iran precipitating World War III.

"I seriously believe we have to start asking questions about his mental health," Kucinich, an Ohio congressman, said in an interview with The Philadelphia Inquirer's editorial board on Tuesday. "There's something wrong. He does not seem to understand his words have real impact."

Telling it like it is:

Some US diplomats angry over Iraq posts By MATTHEW LEE, Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON - Several hundred U.S. diplomats vented anger and frustration Wednesday about the State Department's decision to force foreign service officers to take jobs in Iraq, with some likening it to a "potential death sentence."...

"Incoming is coming in every day, rockets are hitting the Green Zone," said Jack Crotty, a senior foreign service officer who once worked as a political adviser with NATO forces.

"It's one thing if someone believes in what's going on over there and volunteers, but it's another thing to send someone over there on a forced assignment," Crotty said. "I'm sorry, but basically that's a potential death sentence and you know it. Who will raise our children if we are dead or seriously wounded?"

"You know that at any other (country) in the world, the embassy would be closed at this point," Crotty said to loud and sustained applause from the about 300 diplomats who attended the meeting in a large State Department auditorium...

"I would just urge you, now that now we are looking at compulsory service in a war zone, that we have a moral imperative as an agency to take care of people who ... come back with war wounds," said Rachel Schnelling, a diplomat who served in Basra, Iraq and said the department had been unresponsive to requests for mental heath care.

"I asked for treatment and I didn't get any of it," she said in comments that were greeted with a standing ovation...

news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071031/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/us_iraq_embassy

Is this what we would be hearing if our troops weren't muzzled by military protocol?

Frosty, if that mink-skinning operation isn't working out quite as well as you'd like, boy does Spunky has a new career path ready and waiting for you. It might not pay quite as well as Blackwell, but you'd always be in Condi's prayers.

Butte,

Hear, here!

Look, I don't mind what someone else chooses to stick in their head and try to live with. But when they try to force everyone else around them to be as miserable as they are, that's something else entirely. The very worst is when cynical politicians leverage insanity, encouraging and fanning the flames of it simply in order to gorge on the flowing money-tit that comes with cynicism and corruption.

Jesus had little tolerance for the Pharisee of his day, who were all-too quick to trumpet their piousness by condemning everyone else. Funny thing, though, it was "everyone else" that Jesus claimed. As for me, I'm happy to be part of "everyone else" and wish our modern-day Pharisee would just put a cork in it already. They've had their chance and look at the pitiful mess they've made.

and would like to hear it mixed in with the junk offered on radio."

Posted by BlueinIdaho on October 31, 2007 at 01:30 PM

Blue,

That's the truest thing ever said on Faux News.
Such is the totally rotten state of affairs of all things in this country.

Can't blame it all on Clear Channel, but they're working hard for those deaf and dumb folks in the propoganda office at the White House.

However, Spunky has probably illegally downloaded Springstein's latest off the internet tubes...and doesn't know he's the subject.

Posted by HillWilliam4Edwards08 on October 31, 2007 at 02:36 PM

2 thousand years of petty racists

MY how we've progressed.

HA! NOT!

Posted by Dawn on October 31, 2007 at 02:23 PM

Dawn,

Perhaps that's Bush's problem.

Under his administation, nobody can get adequate mental health coverage. I think I'd bypass any shock treatments administered by that GrimReaper character from Abu Graibe, too.

Ewwwwy THEY EAT THEIR OWN!!

Members of one Klan group plan to protest another in Cullman

"Jesus was just talking to the Jews". !!!!????
A lot of those right wingers are just weird!

Posted by Butte on October 31, 2007 at 01:36 PM

Butte,

lol, that takes the cake.

HillWill: You've got good point there.

SandyH:
The scary thing was how sincere he was!

I've wondered about Bush's mental health for quite a while.
Per the Mayo Clinic web site:
"Antisocial personality disorder is a condition in which people show a pervasive disregard for the law and rights of others. People with antisocial personality disorder may tend to lie or steal and often fail to fulfill job or parenting responsibilities. The term "sociopath" and "psychopath" are sometimes used to describe a person with antisocial personality disorder.
Gives you something to think about, yes?

Katrina failure goes on tour:

The largest dam in Iraq is in serious danger of an imminent collapse that could unleash a trillion-gallon wave of water, possibly killing thousands of people and flooding two of the largest cities in the country, according to new assessments by the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers and other U.S. officials.

Even in a country gripped by daily bloodshed, the possibility of a catastrophic failure of the Mosul Dam has alarmed American officials, who have concluded that it could lead to as many as 500,000 civilian deaths by drowning Mosul under 65 feet of water and parts of Baghdad under 15 feet, said Abdulkhalik Thanoon Ayoub, the dam manager. “The Mosul dam is judged to have an unacceptable annual failure probability,” in the dry wording of an Army Corps of Engineers draft report.

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/10/31/the-most-dangerous-dam-in-the-world/

Posted by Dawn on October 31, 2007 at 01:25 PM

Dawn,

Sorry, I'm not paying much attention today. A neighbor just came by with her two grandkids for early trick or treat. Talk about cute toddlers. One was dressed like a pumpkin and the other as a Teenage Ninja Turtle.

I complimented her on her envirionmenal statement.

No, I wasn't talking about Dr. Dean, but you make a good point.

I was talking about citizens not paying any attention to how the Busheviks stole the election. Most still haven't connected all the dots after all these years. The people do get the government they deserve. We have to be vigilante.

Most folks put more thought into what their Halloween costume should be than who would be the best president for all of the people.

Posted by BlueinIdaho on October 31, 2007 at 03:18 PM

Blue,

The truth be told...most of our dams aren't in much better shape. Nobody has looked at them since Bush took office....by order of the King of Catastrophes and his deregulation freaks.

Two years ago a major regional utility's dam broke and destroyed hundred of farms and a much cherished state park in my state. They still are trying to dodge responsibility and the Republican governor is letting them get away with it.

The "bureaucrats" had been warning for years that it was about to give way and would mean major damage. Luckily, only one family died.

Wednesday, October 31, 2007
Administration Oversight

White House Withholds Hundreds of Abramoff Documents

Chairman Waxman asks White House Counsel Fred Fielding to turn over more than 600 pages of documents relating to the activities of convicted lobbyist Jack Abramoff that are being withheld because they involve internal White House deliberations.

oversight.house.gov/story.asp?ID=1583

What national security issues was Abramoff involved in that would justify them withholding evidence? They're just trying to evading prosecution.

Apparently, in her last official act, Karen Hughes suggested launching a full-scale public relations assault based entirely on Cheney's Darth Vader persona. Haha. This was suppose to soften the blow of all that talk of war coming from the White House?

Why didn't they just peel off his mask and show just how ugly the face of WW III really is?

All those Confederate flags and nooses flying in the background and mained and deformed Iraqi children lying at his feet...the victim of shock and awe "public diplomacy?"

Right, Karen. All the MSM and the yokels back home will laugh. But we'll see who's laughing when gasoline goes back up to $3.50 after the first bunker buster hits in Iran. You get the feeling that the GOP is holding its collective breath.

Why else are so many of them not running for re-election?

Hey, thanks Sandy and Dawn,

Like said here a few days ago, there is something wrong with this early debating and fundraising: they are campaigning way too far before the election. There are some really excellent candidates but the system this cycle is wrecking the selection.

For the sake of wasting money and effort and time, the Democratic party selection should all be done in the last 6 months before the election. All the state primaries could be done in early June or so and all concerned, except perhaps MSM would benefit.

The debates and solicitations this far off disenfranchise voters who get bored and broke by the time the election at last rolls around. The candidates are hung out too long for bashing by opponents and the media. And they waste all the money and time doing it.

Too many Democratic voters are being turned-off by this ever-lengthening process. Two years of campaign is too long. Momentum is just rolled around to the benefit of the MSM coffers.

for the sake of not wasting, for peace's sake

bbl, perhaps

The US has ignored the previous 15 resolutions since 1992.

Felipe Perez Roque, the Cuban foreign minister, earned a round of applause from the assembly on Tuesday as he completed his case for the embargo to be lifted, saying that it was the main block to development of his country.


The resolution, titled Necessity of Ending the Economic, Commercial and Financial Embargo imposed by the United States of America against Cuba, was passed with 184 votes in favour, four against and one abstention.

The Coalition of the Willing and Our Global Friends.

Brahahahah....look at the list :)

Israel joined the US in voting against the resolution, as did Palau and the Marshall Islands. Micronesia abstained.

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/AA4DCAE8-1717-487D-81EE-10F3FB1F3940.htm

Posted by SandyH on October 31, 2007 at 03:27 PM

Sad but true. Mine has been gone all afternoon with Grandma picking up pieces to go with her costume. She says she has 3 parties to go to so I'm giving out candy.

BBL if I can.

Peace and Happy Halloween everyone!

Drug firms try to bribe doctors with cars

• Developing world 'easy target' for multinationals
• Gifts and pampering now norm, says report

Sarah Boseley, health editor
Wednesday October 31, 2007
The Guardian

Multinational drug companies are targeting doctors in developing countries with dinners and lavish gifts, such as air conditioners, washing machines and down-payments on cars, as incentives to prescribe their drugs, a report reveals today.

The report from Consumers International (CI) says that self-regulation by the multinational drug giants has failed, citing drug adverts by companies such as Glaxo-SmithKline, Wyeth, Novartis and Pfizer that would be considered misleading in Europe, as well as the heavy promotion by all companies of products to doctors.

The impact on patients is serious, the report says. "Up to 50% of medicines in developing countries are inappropriately prescribed, dispensed or sold," it says...

www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,,2201991,00.html

(Bold mine.)

I wonder if they are also sending in drug-pushing sluts who leave samples and tempt the doctors into compromising their ethics. Those "Ask Your Doctor" ads should be coming down the pike next?

Funny how free trade works in these banana republics. Why does it seem so familiar?

Sandy,

You wonder why Drugs in the US cost so much money?

Between courting Doctors with wonderful trips and gifts, and non-stop TV ads for their viagras, etc, it drives up the cost like crazy.

Then they try and tell us they can't charge us the same as they do for Canada pharmacies !

It is all nothing but more Corporate Greed!

Posted by TomN on October 31, 2007 at 04:01 PM

Tom, it's all too true.

I've got to get the chilli cooking. Probably will be too busy later to post. Have a fun and safe holiday, everyone.

Drugs cost so much because drug comapanies have to cover their liabilities when patients get strokes and heart attacks from their products.

Over 106,000 patients die every year from taking drugs as their doctor prescribed. It's more dangerous to go to the hospital than it is to march off to war in Iraq.

The pity of it is that most of those deaths could be prevented if the patient were only using MARIJUANA.

found this on my way out

CLOUT! Straw Poll
By Richard Greene on October 31, 2007 - 2:44pm

While the 8 Democratic candidates were debating last night we decided to take a straw poll. Even though CLOUT! is now live in NY City on WWRL 1600AM, the state's junior Senator, the leading candidate, did not fare well.

Not at all.

For 2 hours, from 8 - 10 pm Eastern, we took votes by phone and email. Here are the results:

KUCINICH: 40%
EDWARDS 33%
OBAMA 10%
CLINTON 6%
RICHARDSON 3%
(AL GORE) 3% (Not officially in poll. Many wanted him but we took their 2nd choice, if given)
(RON PAUL) 3% (Not officially in poll)
DODD 1%
BIDEN: 0%
GRAVEL: 0%

And, surprisingly, STEPHEN COLBERT . . . . 0%

Drugs cost so much because drug comapanies have to cover their liabilities when patients get strokes and heart attacks from their products.

I am sure they have Product Liability Insurance, Gro, just like any other manufacturer.

CNN announcing story coming up, about ANOTHER Republican caught in a Sex scandal, this one involving Blackmail!

Do you have to be a Sexual pervert to be a Republican, or does it just work out that way???

drugs cost so much because drug companies rake in the profits before their patents expire and the drugs are able to go generic.

Pam, the story CNN is refering to is most likely the same story I posted this morning about a small town Washington state politician.

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/6420AP_WA_Lawmaker_Extortion.html?source=mypi

Pam, they are just announcing that the republican washington state congressman caught in the latest gay hypocrisy is resigning.

Posted by PamB on October 31, 2007 at 04:46 PM

Just a theory, but it could be that the denial and self-loathing they feel probably causes them to feel victimized and powerless. This leads them to harbor a deep-seeded resentment towards their fellow citizens who, without the self-loathing and denial, are enjoying life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Once they join like-minded individuals in the GOP and gain some power, they can unleash this resentment upon others so that they experience some form of self-worth.

Just a theory...

And, surprisingly, STEPHEN COLBERT . . . . 0%

Posted by Dawn on October 31, 2007 at 04:33 PM
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Kucinich and Edwards - I am surprised Kucinich rated that highly. Go Edwards!!!